Paul Ramey, worship pastor of Imago Dei in Portland, OR returns to the podcast to update us about his coaching ministry to worship leaders. The biggest change is that he now gets most of his clients through a worship leader network he built.

Three take aways from the conversation:

1. Build the network before you tap it.

2. Make sure the network is a safe place.

3. Navigating the awkwardness of converting relationships to clients.

You can find Paul at treefortcoaching.com.